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Poster: Shooting Dark Star Date: Apr 11, 2010 4:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

I certainly agree that the fire within the band diminished near the end, but with that said, there were special moments too. It doesn't matter what we as individuals feel was the best "Dead", what does matter is the enjoyment each of us recieve from their collective body of music. Opinions are subjective. What matters is those little goosebumps we recieve when we hear certain pieces of music. Does anyone know why we as humans get those lil goosebumps when we hear something special. It only happens with that one sense, hearing. Maybe Bluedevil's medical background can shed some light?

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Apr 11, 2010 11:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

The only way I can listen to the Grateful Dead every day is because of the diversity of the body of recorded music. I probably hit at least 2 eras a day for sanity's sake :)

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 12, 2010 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

This thread only serves to remind me how many times I have been ridiculed, humiliated and/or denigrated for espousing similar ideology both here, and at other Grateful Dead message boards. I am glad to see that I am not the only one able to listen to the various years with what I like to refer to as "new ears". I can't argue that, comparatively speaking, "the boys" traveled through many peaks and valleys during the 30 year journey. However, if one listens to each show as an entity unto itself, and doesn't compare it to a "favorite", I contend there is enjoyable music to be heard in any show...even Boreal Ridge 8/24/1985 and Soldier Field 7/9/1995. I know there are those here who disagree with me violently, and I accept that. Please don't "rain on my parade", and let me find enjoyment where I can and I'll extend you the same courtesy. Hell, I even like a few versions of Samba In The Rain.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 12, 2010 7:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

whats your favorite Samba? i dont think ive ever heard the song!!!

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 12, 2010 8:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

not sure I really have a "favorite"

06/08/94(the first one) comes highly recommended by the Deadhook poster known as "SambaInTheRain"
http://www.archive.org/details/gd94-06-08.neumann.ladner.10065.sbeok.shnf

others say 6/30/95 was the best
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1995-06-30.fob.schoeps.evans.GEMS.83144.flac16

the one I have probably listened to the most is 7/9/95
http://www.archive.org/details/gd95-07-09.sbd.7233.sbeok.shnf

It was only played 38 times. You might as well check them all.
06/08/94- Cal Expo Amphitheater - Sacramento, CA
06/14/94- Seattle Memorial Stadium - Seattle, WA
06/17/94- Autzen Stadium (University Of Oregon) - Eugene, OR
06/24/94- Sam Boyd Silver Bowl - Las Vegas, NV
07/01/94- Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA
07/16/94- Robert F. Kennedy Stadium - Washington DC, DC
07/20/94- Deer Creek Amphitheater - Noblesville, IN
07/23/94- Soldier Field - Chicago, IL
07/26/94- Riverport Amphitheatre - Maryland Heights, MO
07/29/94- Buckeye Lake Music Center - Hebron, OH
08/01/94- The Palace - Auburn Hills, MI
08/03/94- Giants Stadium - East Rutherford, NJ
09/18/94- Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA
09/28/94- Boston Garden - Boston, MA
10/02/94- Boston Garden - Boston, MA
10/07/94- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA
10/11/94- USAir Arena - Landover, MD
10/14/94- Madison Square Garden - New York City, NY
10/18/94- Madison Square Garden - New York City, NY
11/30/94- McNichols Sports Arena - Denver, CO
12/11/94- Oakland Coliseum Stadium - Oakland, CA
12/16/94- Los Angeles Sports Arena - Los Angeles, CA
02/21/95- Delta Center - Salt Lake City, UT
03/17/95- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA
03/24/95- Charlotte Coliseum - Charlotte, NC
* 03/30/95- The Omni - Atlanta, GA
04/07/95- Tampa Stadium - Tampa, FL
05/20/95- Sam Boyd Silver Bowl - Las Vegas, NV
05/25/95- Memorial Stadium - Seattle, WA
05/29/95- Portland Meadows - Portland, OR
06/03/95- Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA
06/15/95- Franklin Field - Highgate, VT
06/19/95- Giants Stadium - East Rutherford, NJ
06/22/95- Knickerbocker Arena - Albany, NY
06/25/95- Robert F. Kennedy Stadium - Washington DC, DC
06/30/95- Three Rivers Stadium - Pittsburgh, PA
07/06/95- Riverport Amphitheatre - Maryland Heights, MO
07/09/95- Soldier Field - Chicago, IL


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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 11, 2010 5:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

sometimes get those goosebumps just referring to or thinking about those shows or pieces of music.....??? !!! strange phenomenon !!!!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 11, 2010 6:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

Biologically speaking, you mean "cutis anserina"...The reflex is termed "horripilation" (or, "piloerection", but that term usually gets Dire all jiggly, so we try to refrain from using round here...) It is known in a number of mammals, the most famous being the porucpine, which can be analogous to CLIFF's posting response when threatened with a 90s DEAD show.

Believe it or not, but it is not entirely clear why it happens--it may be a hold over from the "fight/flight" response since the reflex causes organisms with lots of hair (like me in HS; sadly, no longer applies except to a few spots--ears, nose, etc.) look larger as a result (ie, to intimidate a predator). Clearly, it sometimes works when CLIFF uses this reflexive posting behavior (scaring off would be predators attacking the Early Era DEAD we love, diverting precious attn away toward unworthy prey items, like a 90s show).

There, BIO 101 lesson # 37, courtesy of the Forum...

Any questions? [as our Talking Heads frontman would say]

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 11, 2010 6:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

My cat knows how to make his tail huge when he's angry. I guess that's how he does it.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 11, 2010 8:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

Precisely! You get a gold star (well, I actually don't hand those out, but you did good). It does make the most sense in dogs and cats, esp dogs, as you can see they do look larger, and the predator would also be more likely to grab a mouthful of fur than flesh (another possible adaptive function). On me, unfortunately the only substantial hair growth these days concerns ears and nose, but you defn don't want to hear anymore about that...

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Apr 12, 2010 12:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

Maybe this book will help....I read it last year and it's really good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_Your_Brain_On_Music

xx

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 11, 2010 5:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

Bluedevil's medical background? Closest he got was when he was in law school and took that ambulance chasing class.

I have no idea why about the goosebumps. I do agree that you can find magic from '65-95. Some years just take more searching than others. I also agree that it is all subjective, in the ears of the beholder.

This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2010-04-12 00:59:22

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 11, 2010 6:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

" Bluedevil's medical background? Closest he got was when he was in law school and took that ambulance chasing class."

LOL! That was great Elbow

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 11, 2010 8:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

Goose bumps (also known as the pilomotor reflex) represent one of your body's automatic responses, meant to increase your chances of survival in the harsh world. Cold environments and strong emotions (like fear or a particularly moving musical moment courtesy of the boys) are both known to give your skin the texture of plucked poultry. When the muscle fiber connected to a hair follicle tightens, the skin surrounding the follicle puckers into a goose bump, pulling the connected hair straight up.
One effect is to generate warmth: straightened hair traps a layer of air against the skin, insulating the body. Unfortunately, human hair is so thin and short as to render the reflex virtually useless, but in hairier mammals goose bumps don't just look silly. In fact, a cat or mouse's battle-ready stance is related to our own pilomotor reflex. In their case the muscles are responding to perceived threats by making the animals appear larger

Due to my high anxiety and stress, as well as my low self esteem as the butt of lawyer jokes, I qualify for a card carrying compassionate user of marijuana and would happily report back after further study.

And yes, I laughed at elbow's comment. I flunked ambulance chasing, but did learn constitutional law in the same hallways as Dick Nixon and Ken Starr.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 12, 2010 5:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

"I flunked ambulance chasing, but did learn constitutional law in the same hallways as Dick Nixon and Ken Starr."

Not even sure where to begin on this one. Was it an 8 AM class and the professor used the same exam questions each year? Was the class held in the Justice Roger Taney Memorial Classroom?

btw the fact that you answered the medical question makes me feel a little bad now. Given my background I should have taken a stab at it, but when i saw the opportunity to unleash a lawyer joke, well I got goosebumps and had to respond in kind. Glad you took it in the manner it was intended.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 12, 2010 7:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

Ahem, they are cropping up like weeds, so I think our hold on biological knowledge, tenuous as it has been, is slipping fast...BTW, pretty funny sequence you have here on BD's educational experiences...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 11, 2010 9:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

Damn! A biologically inclined posting competitor! Your explanation is even more readable; if I had some hair, I'd be making myself look larger right now....hmmm, now that I think of it, I don't need hair for that particular effect. Crap--better stop talking about Jerry's expanding body mass index...

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Poster: high flow Date: Apr 11, 2010 7:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

Yes, let us not forget the copious amounts of hair and wax in the ears of many of the beholders here.

And yes, classic line regarding ambulance chasing.

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Poster: akursk Date: Apr 20, 2010 3:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

These results confirm that even after complete sacral de-afferentation, AHR persisted in patients with spinal cord injury and always occurred during the stimulation-induced voiding phase. In cases of incomplete de-afferentation, small uninhibited bladder contractions without voiding occurred during the filling phase. The blood pressure then increased but never reached the value recorded during stimulation-induced micturition. Stimulation of afferents that enter the spinal cord by the thoracic and lumbar roots and that are not influenced by sacral rhizotomy could explain why AHR increases during urine flow. The distinct threshold of decreased heart rate by increasing blood pressure to >160 mmHg focuses attention on the chronotropic influences of the sympathetic nerves in the heart by an exhausted baroreceptor reflex.

http://www.urologyjournal.us/studies/sacral-posterior-rhizotomy-hyper-reflexia-spinal-cord-injury.html

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 12, 2010 6:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

Anatomy and biology

Goose bumps are created when tiny muscles at the base of each hair, known as arrectores pilorum, contract and pull the hair erect. The reflex is started by the sympathetic nervous system, which is responsible for many fight-or-flight responses.

As a response to cold: in animals covered with fur or hair, the erect hairs trap air to create a layer of insulation. Goose bumps can also be a response to anger or fear: the erect hairs make the animal appear larger, in order to intimidate enemies. This can be observed in the intimidation displays of chimpanzees,[1] in stressed mice[2] and rats, and in frightened cats. In humans, it can even extend to piloerection as a reaction to hearing nails scratch on a chalkboard, listening to awe-inspiring music,[3] or feeling or remembering strong and positive emotions (e.g., after winning a sports event).[4]

Piloerection as a response to cold or emotion is vestigial in humans; as humans retain only very little body hair, the reflex (in humans) now provides no known benefit.

In humans, goose bumps are strongest on the forearms, but also occur on the legs, neck, and other areas of the skin that have hair. In some people, they even occur in the face or on the head. In humans, the areolas of the breasts of females typically show piloerection because of hormonal distribution, for example, when aroused or inside the maternity cycle.

Piloerection is also a (rare) symptom of some diseases, such as temporal lobe epilepsy, some brain tumors, and autonomic hyperreflexia. Goose bumps can also be caused by withdrawal from opiates such as heroin. A skin condition that mimics goose bumps in appearance is keratosis pilaris. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose_bumps

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 12, 2010 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

Well, yet another! I should have cited my source, but fig'd I'd get into a copyright fight (my mammalian physiology txt), so I just changed every fifth word and it still made about as much sense as most of my posts...

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 12, 2010 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I find a little magic in everything (goosebumps)

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